It is sickening - to say the least. .. while other countries like China are focussing on rapidly building more institutions of higher learning, Indian politicians are wasting their time on such retrogade measures as a the re-mandalisation of indian colleges...
Being stayed in an IIT, I can vouch to the fact that there is already a noticeable divide in the competencies of the general category candidates as compared to the reserved category candidates ..the proposed legislation will further divide the campuses into two separate classes ..which will further compound marginalisation ..
..the best thing about the IIT's is not that they are well funded, or have great professors (most of them are really short of professors)...it is actually the peer pressure of working with the brightest that is the biggest thing going for the iits..however with this legislation the single biggest differentiation of the iits will be curbed...
what we really need is more good colleges...even private ones .. and easy availability of educational loans so that all sections of students can afford the education and at the same time the quality also does not suffer ....the government emphasis should be more on providing free primary and secondary education to the students from the poorer sections of the society ...so that they can compete for places in professional colleges at an equal footing ..and there should be a system in place for easy (without collataral) loans which these students can opt for to fund their education.
If a millionaire's son with 35 % marks can be a doctor / engineer just because he is having money why not to have doctors / engineers of at least 55 %. As far as OBC's are concerned many times their merit list is competing with General category merit list. Those who are opposing have not seen the merit list of OBC's. Creamy layer criteria for OBC's should also be applicable to General category so that EBC's (Economically backward classes) will really be helped. Those above EBC limit will definately be getting education as they are having money. Again, those who are opposing are driven by media hype only. They are replying to the guided questions of media persons only. I feel they are all supporting reservations for OBC's by heart.
Vinayak Darade
My question to Vinayak "How many millionaires do we have in India?" But we have millions of these OBCs. If these OBCs has such a good intention/determination to reach a good position and why not they themselves try to get through the entrance exams? Where there is a will, there is a way. If they are in merit list, they would certainly get into these institutes. Noone is against OBCs/merit people, we are just against these unnecessary resolutions passed/supported by the Government. And if the Government is so very interested to bring them up with this spoon-feed way, let them establish career counselling centres instead of coming out with this nasty proposals.
This is the most selfish act that is being proposed by the congress government to increase their votebank. I would say every responsible citizen of India SHOULD protest against this. This certainly is not a welcoming proposal for a developing nation like India. This would rather take us back in time instead of heading towards the development of the nation. Just imagine, if this is being implemented these premier institutes would loose their value in the market and it wouldn't be a surpise if recognition of these IITs/IIMs would become as low as ITI(Industrial Training Institutes).
These leaders shouldn't atleast ruin the development of the nation if they can't take any extra measures for the development.
PLEASE LET THESE INSTITUTES BE FOR THE PEOPLE WITH EFFICIENT SKILLS BUT NOT JUST HAVE A QUALIFICATION OF OBCs. DON'T DEPRIVE THE VALUE OF THESE INSTITUTES.
I am very much agreed with this reply. First of all the reason behind to give the seat to millionaire people is for taking the fund for development of the institution as the government is not able to fulfill the requirement. there is also the chances of corruption even if they decide to fund the institution. Further from last so many years the reservation is going on in job in government offices PARTICULARLY AFTER THE FIFTH PAY COMMISSION WITH HANDSOME SALARY. SO the childrens of their can easily make savings to afford the tutuion fees for COACHING CLASSES and get ready for competitive exam. while there are so many upper cast families MAY BE EQUAL TO THE OBC FAMILIES with low income, as the gov have not come out with the details of the numbers of the upper cast with low income group who could not afford the fees even for college, with the parent doing the services in unorganised sector with low pay as the fifth or any pay commission did not apply to them.So i request to all that they should ask gov.to give datails that till now how many jobs granted to obc since independence and tried to support their cast themselves.as after getting the job reservation the same family do not give chance to other obc families. By any means they tried to get their childrens to refix the same gov job. DO THE GOV HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE DATA FOR THE SAME Secondly i request all of you that the gov should come out with details that how many obc families are assessed to tax, having two/ four wheeler vehicle ,mobiles phones with more billing that too WITH THE TOTAL POPULATION of obc (Ratio). I am not against any obc people but they should understand that by simply savings form their family income they can pay for tution fees for coaching class and get ready themselves for compititive exam.As all know that lacs of upper cast families can hardly manage for their foods and livelyhoods and can not afford to pay the fees even for college of higher education. as they could not get any job with gov.(with so many perquisites while on job and after retirements). So i am very much against the reservation.And if reservation intoduced then it should be restrictive as 1) percentage should initial start with say 5 % and if it results positively then increase gradually. 2)further if one family get the reserve seat then they should not get job reservation and try the job on merits. I am regrate if any one feeling hurt.
Dear enemy, You should know that every aspirant of IIT,IIM etc.have to write entrance examination. SC/ST/OBC students also should write and then, they should be qualified to get admission. Reservations are applicable after they are qualified. We are not ready to join with out entrance test. And we are not asking reservations for our birth in a lower caste. Not as a payment for attrocities that has been committing for centuries. We demand reservations to avoid the principle of exclusion.Since we belong to lower caste, all these brahmanical institutions are not ready to give admission for us. Why your teachers are giving colored answer sheet for us in entrance test? How it is possible for brahmins to get admission where there is no merit in their blood? All these institutions never contributed anything to this country, instead of providing brokers. If you are ready to face our merit in your class room, support reservations. If you want see virtual power of lower caste's student on the campus, open the doors to every body. If brahmins have merit and self respect, stop taking coaching for entrance test and joing corporate educational institutions. Are brahmins and upper castes ready to get educated in government institutions? Dear enemy, I love your helplessness and stuppidity. These institutions are not your pockets.They are public properties. If you do not like, leave them and go away.
haha, the statement "We demand reservations to avoid the principle of exclusion.Since we belong to lower caste, all these brahmanical institutions are not ready to give admission for us." is a joke or what.I dont think we brahmins carry their caste certificate with them during admissions. See frens, it not about, whether a person is SC,OBC or not. Lets understand the fact that yes the people who are economically backward need help.But not the ppl who are backward just because they belong to backward class. We are equal. No one is backward. The colour of the blood is red for everyone. The government should come up and find some proper measures to educate the ppl who are economically backward. Why the hell shd the ppl who r SCX's or OBC's but economically fine given a reservation. n let me clarify. even the economically backward class should be given quality education right from primary schools. If the govt. is really concerned, then it should try to improve the quality of its schools at primary level instead of providing some stupid resevation. n all those who r supporting the reservation. first Pls look into your soul and search for the answer that is reservation the right way to fight and eradicate poverty. and u'll get the answer yourself.
Wots wrong with you man. If theres no reservation and theres equality for all then where the hell does the principle of exclusion come into the picture. You dont need to show your caste but your marks to get admission. And wots this rubbish that brahmins dont have merit in their blodd, its not about brahmins or OBCs. bright people are everywhere, we r al the same so give equal opportunity to all. we have already seen a division of this country on the basis of religion 59 years back now do you want another division on the basis of caste. y dont you get it merit is the only solution for the upliftment of everyone. yes we need reservation but only for those bright students who are poor and cannot afford to study irrespective of their caste. we need to build a strong India.. y cant you just get that man....
dear jilukara, if you are really worried about the theory of exclusion, donate your seat / your kin's seat to a poor obc student who deserves it more than you and rightfully fight for reservation. when it comes to sacrifice, everyone is selfish. so dont speak about old fore father stories of oppression and try to take shelter under that.
If u think u have it in u to make in the merit then why do u need reservations.u are ur biggest enemy my dear chap.
That is a cool one. If you are going in by merit then why the coaching?
i actually have a lot to say to you but i also realise that you have little sense and will almost surely not understand anything.
I think, Vinayak has not his homework well or don't know anything about Institution called as IIT,IIMs etc.It's rare to see any millionare son studying there and even if some of them are there it gives immense pleasure that even after having so much of wealth, they have competed.And, come on Vinayak, how the hell A millionaire son is going to study Engg. or Med. when he has so mcuh money at his disposal.One thing you are missing is even if government gives ruthlessly 100% reservation, no poor people from OBC/BC are going to reach there.The whole bunch of seat is going to be hijacked by affluent OBC/BC/SC/ST, which India - after six decade of getting freedom - have many.I am not sure if you are anware of this fact just turning Ostrich like Arjun Singh, Manmohan, Sonia etc. The worst this going to cause is divide our society like British had done years ago: Moslems and Hindu. This time general,OBC,BC etc. When I was kid I always thought how come we were so foool that we never ever decode the real intention of British when they were diving us.Now, I understand - today we are great(er) fool. Some guy please give big,powerfull,smashinh slap to Arjun so that he awakens and realizes what big disaster he going to make.Do one wrong and it takes years to undo it.Poor fellow Arjun Singh don't know how much constitute BC/OBC but he is sure about the fig 27%.Amazing.Come on Arjun Singh.What are doing there.God is calling you from Heavens!!! go there and enjoy.Your ancestors fucked up innocent people of india by supporting Britishes and now you are hell bent on doing that tamasha once again.Had we got Independence by Netaji Subhash way, our condition should have been different.But, we got independence by begging and not by revolution, so past independence, the seat of power just passed on to former rulers and their british henchmens(much of them were congress). And,being henchmen of british for long, Noone know this idea better than anyone - Divide and Rule.And, thats what exactly they are doing today.
I want to ask some questions: In many of the Engineering,Medical and Management Colleges, there are big amount of fees are being taken. Why no body apposes these fee hikes. Does these big amount of fees not deprive the weaker section for getting admitted in such colleges.
Many Public school are taking interviews of the parents before admitting there ward to school. Why the so called upper class not apposes to this act.
In my opinion, it is almost necessary to categorise the schools in A, B and C categories on the basis of their results. Person studied from A class school shall not be allowed for resrvations.
Reservations for the OBCs, SC&ST and Weaker sections are necessary.
Vinayak, Nobody in this country would be against reservation for Economically backward classes provided they are done properly. But the question here is how to implement this Reservation. Reserving seats for proffessional courses and Jobs is just not the sollution. Tell me if you are running a bussiness say a SW development center and if the GOVT tells you to employ 22 SC, 25 ST and 15 OBC; Will you do that?
Comming to Creamy layer. Any document in India can be forged. Recently a News channel showed how easy it is to get a SC certificate for a non SC. (Good option for people from Higher cast to get addmision if this Govmt goes ahead) ITs just not possible to make sure that the people enjoying the benefits are deserving or not.
Mr:Arjun Singh also doesnot care about the same, for him these are just votes. This Govmt also thinks that they can supress the protest by force. Beating Doctors on the streets as if they were criminals, firing water cannyons, tear gas.
Long live students protest! I request all the people of the country to Rise in one voice- Let there be equality and Justice to all.
If the govmt is serious about this then y dont they build more colleges, schools, the problem can be only solved by educating them.
Feedback are welcome! Prabhath P
what is this crap about creamy layer. if you can have reservations economically backwards then why not socialy backwards? get this the only way for merit to survive and grow is to provide educational facilities for all at the primary and secondary level. which is not happening. and also understand that at this level there is stil a lot of discrimination but only for SCs, OBC and STs have never been so good. yes certain sections of ST do need financial support for educational access but not reservation. so called OBCs have never had it so good, not that i mind. but i am personally disgusted at such huge sections of society willing to be called backward, perhaps thier greed is stornger than their self respect. and if SCs really think that OBCs have ever considered them equals then who are they kidding. the brahmin has been a favorite whipping boy for al communities for centuries now. primarily for being small in number and historicaly being in favour of non-violence. but does that mean that they can't fight. one should not take a consious renouncement of violent ways as sign of weakness(old saying). further a real brahmin will never accept reservation what ever the (il)logic as for the present government at center, well there never has been a more ethicaly and moraly corrupt set of people in power at the centre.
my dear friend. i wanna ask u that what has given us the right to say wether a person is a backward class or upper class?? on what basis u will say??? simply that they r living in slums?? there r brahmins who also r living in slums. so what they r backards?? we have no right to discriminate people as backward sor upwards...
u might b studying in a college. i wanna ask u. do u know a person sitting next to u wether he is backward or upper caste?? do u ask him such stupid question??? we all breath oxygen. we all eat food by mouth. colour of our blood is red. when god has not created any difference who r we??
reservations should b there only FOR ECONOMICALLY BACKWARD PEOPLE NOT BASED ON CASTE, COLOUR, CREED OR RELIGION
how much more wrong can you be.THe people who come in through the quota system are not the poor whom you speak off.they are rich OBCs who get all the facilities and hide behind the veil of quota to hide their incompetence.you mean to say all general category stuents are well off?ITS ALL JUST VOTE BANK POLITICS.i not against quotas.i against quotas based on caste.let ther be quotas but with these constraints (1)son/daughter of any one who got a degree or job must not be given quota again.the purpose of quota system is upliftment na.. how many times you want the same family to be uplifted? (2)any ones parents have more than one lakh gross income cant get in through quota. (3)any student found with fake certificates must be immtdiatley debarred for life
If general category students even if from poor family without any reservations can crack iit/iim/aiims cet why not backward caste students , reeservation is proving them to be mentally backward rather than socially.scholarships to deserving students and good qualityeducation to be given to all regardless of caste/creed.this is only solution to reservations.congress party has divided once the nation on basis of religion now on basis of caste to gain the vote bank to hide their disabilty to provide good primary eduacation and governance.
there should be an open competition. if the OBC students r gud enough then why cant they compete n enter through unreserved seats.. let the govt provide the economically backward with financial support... ONCE they clear the competition as a general candidate.. the govt should fund their education but not reserve seats. coz this would snatch a seat from a deserving candidate n hand it over to a less deserving one. this would lead to countrywide frustation among the youth.
you think people studying in elite institutions are sons n daughters of millionares!!get your facts right.They are just students who were focussed and worked hard.BUT how would you know that,since all your life you hid your incompetence behind a fig leaf of Backward Caste badge which u seem to support.IF u have it in you then u will make the cut anyway but the hard fact is you are just not damn good enough n reservations is the only way for you to enter these institutions. cheers to hypocrites!!
t is not by putting high reservations for the OBC's will the govt be able to help them..this will only ignite anger and frustration in the hearts of the upper classes as seen nowadays...to really help them we must put up more schools, a better standard of free education for them and ensure that each willing child is able to attend school by bringing the OBC's from 55% to 95$ so they can enter the colleges like IIT and AIIMS on their own skills and intelligence rather than quotas put forward by the govt. The sheduled castes grauduating from such insitutes on the quota basis wont be good and skilled profssionals and rather than progressing forward these graduates will rather move the country backward...there is stil time....it is a plea to the govt...plz rethink over ur actions and think for india's progress and not the votes u will bag or the money u will get by introducing suh bills. Malika Chadha
We should not allow millionaire son to purchase education and also not allow undeserving candidates to gewt education. We should go to school level so that every one is given high quality education and then ask every one to compete irrespective of caste or religion. Do u agree with my view?
Dear Vinayak, with all due respects to ure pro reservation attitude, just try to understand the fevour and attitude u have when u give an exam , u want to excel and want to be the best, be a OBC or not the fevour does not change dont divide these students they study together and compete on healthy basis , i dont thing its even necessary . Forget Rich and poor thats not the topic discussed . Face the reality " that unless u have it in u no reservation policy can help u".
Dont justify 2 or 3 odd cases of millionaires with low marks with 50% reservation with low marks. I think the indian crowd is not as stupid as u think them to be, Media is only a reflection of the truth and its hard for u to realise it probably.... think over what u have just said
Vinayak i want to ask you this.. if u or someone from your family falls sick who would you prefer.. someone who scored 90% marks in medical examination or someone who scored 50% and became a doctor through reservation. who according to you is better equipped to treat you and your family. And why are you contradicting your own words.. if you say OBCs merit list is competing with general category then why do you want reservations for. we welcome the competition from the OBCs infact i hate to use that word OBC for a meritorious student or for that matter any one. One is backward not by his or her caste but by the way one thinks. I dont know about your caste vinayak but by the way you think you sure are very BACKWARD.
This is what we want, we don't want the benefitted people to be benefitted again and again. Its been 60 yrs, nothing got worked now they have to think for another plan only to uplift those people who are econmically backward. We know Backward class people were supressed by ancestors for their sins do we need to suffer?? If you commit a sin and after your death your son has to go for jail?? This you call justice? You have equal job, money and educational facilities still why you need reservations?? As days passed this policy should also diminish that what ambedkar anticipated, if god permits Ambedkar to visit his home country he himself repent for what he did.
Mr Vinayak.
i am from ageneral category and did my medicine. it was difficult for me even to buy bokks and so i studied by doing tutions. All the girls in my class from reservations were from upper middle class family and they got reservations. You can set up an enquiry and if that,s wrong i will give my registrartion certificate to you and i promise i will never pracise medicine. BE HONEST TO YOURSELF AND BE LOYAL TO THE COUNTRY AND JUST TELL ME IS IT HUMAN TO CALL ANY HUMANBEING BACKWARD? CAN,T WE BE JUST INDIAN CITIZENS. If our politicians can make fool of innocent villagers that,s understnadable but you seem to be an educated person and still supporting the ultimate selfish move of the government i am sorry you are not patriotic
dr reeta singh
Hello Dr. Reeta Singh, This email was send to me to comment. This is my comment.
You understanding of social science is very poor. First you must understand the difference between natural science and social science. In natural science you can assume its its unit component identical e.g. charecteristic of electron. But in social science basic unit of society is human being is and there did not exist posit harmoney between man and man, and ,therefore, you can't build theory based on individual experience.
If I give information about my family,education, income etc. then, opposite can be concluded. I am from a Rajput family of Bihar and know how things are manipulated by creating hegomony.
Therefore, individual experience is useless to conclude a decision particularly at national level.
As far as your personal experience is concerned, there is well developed theory. In 17th century Sir William Petty establish the relation between natural price and political price. Political price one has to pay for his hierarchy in society. Person in higher heirachy enjoy it whereas of lower heirarchy pay it. Whatever was your suffering it was this price.
Not only this, I want to said you unequivocally that you are migrated to Austrailia and ,therefore, you will have to pay the political price there also. I am talking of reality, migrant labourer pay this cost very dearly.
I am well traveled and have visited US, Europe as well as Austrailia and has seen the atrocities on the India. Of course, this kind of news are suppressed. The Road Side Dhaba of Indian High way run by girl from Nepal and Bangladesh. Likewise, Motel on expressway of US run by India, Mexican,etc. girl. I hope you will be familiar with the fraud of NRI marriage. How Indian girl are exported to US and other countries. If you don't believe, please visit brothel at Sydney.
What is your opinion about these businessman??? Kabootarbaaz ?? Emigrant Lawyer ?
These are political price one is required to pay at village lavel, district level, national and international lavel whether you like it or not.
What I want to say that by and large lower caste has paid and are paying more political price for their lower hierarchy.
But policy of reservation is not going to improve their position , it is bribe to pacify their anger. It can not solve their problem.
But because of this policy there will be some positive change in society. The most important one is dilution of Brahminical hegomony in Government Institution.
All the argument regarding merit are bull sheet are just a hype created by the ruling class. If we Indian are so meritorios then a country so vast as our has failed to produce a single innovation in the area of science and technologies.
Madam, if you don't mind I am well familiar with the fact how system work in India particulary upper strata (most rotten strata) of society and there is need to smash its heirachy.
arun singh
Who say that a millionaire's son with 35% marks can be a doctor/engineer. Just show me a single example. There is a minimum criterion of 55% or 60% (depends on the institute or university) for General category student. More over that criterion is also relaxed for SC/ST or OBC Student by 5%. I think you are talking about management quota seats that the management can give to anybody who is qualified for that. There is no question of reservation in that any body an OBC, SC, ST, or a GENERAL category student can get that seat that is not reserved on the basis of a Particular Caste. Going by your words I want to make you understand that a millionaire can be anybody (SC/ST OBC or GEN). If you go in detail of the rules to provide a management seat there are certain parameters for allocating the management seats management seat. If two candidates are asking for a management seat and willing to pay the management seat fee (that is normally higher then the normal fee) then the management has to consider there ranks only they can’t refuse to a higher rank student just because the other one is paying more money. It’s not like that there is a provision of paying higher and getting the seat. Management has to give a valid reason why a student is rejected and other is selected. Management seat price are fixed. It is not that management can ask anything. Legally management seat fee is fixed. What happens under the table is not legal. Talking about the merit list of SC/ST and OBC. Do you home work and try to find the difference in the merit list of GEN category and the SC/ST or OBC. Go to any institute were reservation is implemented you will find a huge difference in merit list. You are talking about competing merit list let them compete who is stopping them for competing. Why to ask for reservation on the bases of caste?
I fell that it is hurting the “fundament right of equality” of the General Category student. Every body should condemn this. There should be no reservation based on caste. Media is just showing what is fact and the UPA Govt. will face the heat in election Don’t Beg Just Compete If you can.
Arvind Gupta
Hello Friend,
I accept we need to support backward people, it is must, but it is not a way. Caste based reservation always kill merit people, we are supporting poor people reservation,supporting poor people and giving aid for their further education is helpful to country also. Giving reservations make people lazy and people don't try for attain goals.
It is not hype dear, it is fight for justice of merits and surival of indian heros.
even your dear leaders are going to increase number of seats for OBCs at IIMs and at other places, Did that idiots know who have to pay for this, again to feed this reservation candidates they will increase taxes and other costs. tomorrow again people will say cost of living was increased and we lost out nativity.
Please think of future india and perfer not to see prositute india.
Thanks dear Vamsi.
Dear Vinayak:
Your answer lies in your remark itself. If the OBC merits is competing closely with general merit. Then reservation is not needed. This whole issue is about whether the Entry to any educaiton should be allowed on the basis of cast at all. We are not against any OBC. But what is needed is real upliftments through scholerships, coachings and fund for creating good schools in backward areas. So that when you are in ICU, No question come sto your mind that person operting me is dcotor through Caste or THrough his Merit.
No party talks abou this becasue
- These real upliftment costs Money and quota costs nothing to them. They are not worried about any thing becasue they get doctors frm abroad always. (we , you your father and children suffers here. )
- Economic craitria menas end to cast based votebank. Because they think that OBCs are fool and they can get crores of vote by just reserving may be 1000 - 2000 seats. And those seats will also be taken by alreday rich OBCs like Kalyan Singh, Narendar Modi, Mira Kumar and all IAS, PCS and Industrialist belonging to OBC casts. SO it never goes to actual needy.
Manoj
Instead of fighting mediocrity if you prefer to spread it evenly accross the nation then your argument can not be denied. It seems that you would prefer to have a nation of less competent professionals reservation is the way. If want caste bias to be eternal and always retain an impoverished saction the socity then reservation is a must. go right ahead, support reservation full steam. afterall we have excelled for too long. but remember by becomming the leader of the pack through subterfuge you can not get the desired social equality. number can beat physically not mentaly. to consider you equal you can not force anyone especially when you claim reservation for being a lesser being intelectually.
Thank You Vinayak for updating the people with your view. Now what i suggest is that give reservation but give it on the basic of economic status. Come on yaar, why can't this be done. Why do you need to discriminated on the basis of cast.
A son/daughter of SC/ST IAS office no doubt has an access to all good education system but still won't have to struggle a lot as there are already seats researved for them.
So what I am suggesting is that, give reservation but give it on the basis of economic status.
Abhishek Gunjan
They want education by quota, they want jobs by quota, and then they want the same for their children... they don’t want to struggle, simply warm up seats and take away their monthly packages as alms. Damn! This really sucks!
If they want to achieve something, they CAN achieve it. Why do they need the aid of reservations? Like beggars they stand at the podium with that ONE document in hand and take away all that somebody else deserves? Damn! Where goes self-respect?
I am NOT for caste system. I have no qualms with any caste. I have friends from lower castes as well. It’s just that every person should get what he/she deserves to get. If they get in via merit, nobody will dare say anything against them. But getting in like this, by stepping on some other deserving candidate literally sucks man! I have no words!
And now the latest our HRD ministry is trying to achieve - lower the eligibility as well! So go, ask your friends to while away time the whole year long, secure some odd 40% and get into IIMs/IITs. The entire nation will suffer, mind you!
If the bill for reservations in private sector passes, the nation is doomed. India will be nowhere on the global map. Companies will take their business elsewhere. They are here to do business, not charity. They will go to a country that gives them the freedom to choose their employees. Otherwise, in a team of 20 people, there will be 10 non-meritorious employees. Nobody will be able to sack them for low performance levels due to all ugly political reasons! Go form your unions and stick to your jobs like leeches.
Damn!
You say 'They want ...' I have no idea who demanded it this time around. Congress started it. This is just for votes. They (congress) do not care about any caste. They just care about votes. They are selling this nation. You are right...we shall be doomed if they pass reservations bill in Private sector. It's really unjustifiable. Has no basis. I should be free to employ any person I think competent of doing a certain job. Why the compulsion to employ a reserved, non-meritorious guy ? Govt. is doing that; why the private sector ?
I totally agree with the view point that this proposal of introducing social-based reservation is going to prove futile, not to congress government , but the developement of the country as a whole. The reason being : 1. The reservation for the higher studies might lessen the burning desire inside the socially backward graduate to excell and to compete with others. It might create a sense of complacency among the socially backward graduates , which may hamper their process of learning. 2. India is constanly been looked upon as country of spirited people with sleeping government.Un planned metros, improper roads, inadeqate infrastructure, unclean streets, unfriendly towards tourists...we have so much of greatness behind us, but most unfortunately, we seem to have forgotten all those.The laziness and unaccountabilty of every man is there to be seen. Lets be competent in all the fields...As Swami Vivekanada said'Arise ! Awake!' Indian goverment, on the other hand, has to focus more on primary education , for it is where seeds of human are watered to be grown to a plant.If that is not done properly done, no point in having reservations else where.It will churn out only educated animals!
We NRI's are against any Reservations in schools, colleges, and jobs. If the congress government is playing games with the public just for election votes, then we will decide not to support any development in INDIA. This is all NRI's decided here in USA.
This group is arrogant and lacks tolerance. They are so arrogant that they want discard decisions the government,supreme court,majority population. Anyone not in line with their mindset is a crook or less merituos.
They have been brought up with a idea since childhood that they are the most intelligent ones on earth. Many have captured top positions in public institutions with the money and power of their fore-fathers. They also believe they are entitled to decide on what the majority population requires.
However these people now sense danger with the vast majority challenging their ideas.
They talk of merit. Yet they continue giving huge donations to acquire seats for their sons and daughters. They flaunt money and create obstacles in way on hardworking deserving students. Their parents come with loads of money to get admissions for their children who have scored far less than the OBC's. Then their kids shout slogans on Equality and Merit. HYPOCRITES..
WHO LEADS THE FIGHT FOR MERIT ?
AIIMS students! They themselves are admitted on basis on 33 percent institution quota. They also gain seats by leaking question papers with modern gadgets like pen scanners. SHAMELESS..
Reservation seems the easiest of measures one can take (and the most ineffective one) to make it seem as if the govt. really cares about the downtrodden..the only thing that needs to be done is to pass a legislation ..
the more difficult thing (and the more effective one) is to reform the system so that the nations decrepit system of public schools actually educates students and less students fall out of the system...and to create more such institutions of higher learning so that more students get a chance to further their careers..
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iit/iim are some of the few things india can be proud of... and iit/iim are what they are coz there is absolutely no compromise on quality. they have been doing so well coz there was were "supposedly" autonomous institutions, free from central interference. now arjun singh and colleagues are going to poke their nose for petty politics. shame on manmohan singh for letting it thru.
Rashmi Bansal cuts the crap out from the debate on reservation and gives some hard facts. Check out the article on rediff here.
As India is heading towards "SUPERPOWER-2020" in ther era of L.P.G.the discrimination on the basis of caste base education is a big hurdule.it will keep the super natural skill of india away from explosure which will indirectly stop the growth of india.its not fair.
RESEVATION IS NOT METTER HERE,BECAUSE IT'S ONLY FOR ADDMISSION,NOT GIVING CERTAIN TYPE OF DEGREE.YOU CANT SAY THIS TYPE OF WORD.
Are these reservations going to help anyone???...to say the THE OBC OR THE SC/ST??? in which fake world are we living??? please somone tell these politicians to get themselves cured by a reserved category doctor when they are ill!!!...dammit... tell Pramod Mahajan to be treated by a reserved category doctor....why import doctors from australia??? and tell arjun singh to have himself sorrounded by obc managers and doctors if he is so concerned...
seeing the facts in newspapaers and magazines it is sooo clear that the governmemt is TOTALLY neglecting primary education first..."schemes are made, money is poured in ...and the result?? NILL!!"
half the time teachers are not there, half the time the school building itself is absent!!
if these people are so concerned about an obc class, then they better start at the grassroot level....morover if we give them A 50% RESERVATION IN EDUCATIONAL INSTITIUTES... wont it leed to a degradation of their own class becoz i suppose their children will stop studying because of the easy path they will have in front of them...and even when they get through.. whose gonna take the responsibily that they dont get an inferiority complex from those who have entered on merit!!!
all these stupid bills are nothing but poll gimmicks... filled withh all the stupidity that THESE UNINTELIGENT POLITICIANS can apply to the polls...!!
We must investigate the term "merit".Is "merit" just a score in entrance exams at age of 17?
Take the claim of "merit based" entrance to all IIMs and dozens of other institutes.
The CAT exam is based on the SAT exam in the USA . It has been proved beyond doubt that the SAT test is culturally biased . Blacks and hispanics do poorly at it year after year .
If a student who is eligible for admission to IIM on the basis of his CAT score, were to take the same CAT exam in which he/she cleared in a language that he/she did not understand then he/she would be at a disadvantage compared to someone who was schooled in that language . Not knowing that language does not mean you lack the capacity to clear that exam.
Approximately 25 % of CAT test is about English! Another 25 % is about English Comprehension!!!! There you are !!!! About 50 % so called aptitude test is a hoax for someone who is from a non-english speaking background .
This is how the CAT like the SAT is discriminatory .
See the full form of SAT …Scholastic Aptitude Test . The problem is aptitude testing is not so simple . There is no test on earth which can reliably tests aptitude .
Aptitude tests such as the SAT have a historical tie to the concept of innate mental abilities and the belief that such abilities can be defined and meaningfully measured. Neither notion has been supported by modern research. Few scientists who have considered these matters seriously would argue that aptitude tests such as the SAT provide a true measure of intellectual abilities.
It was found that people could be coached to better their scores at SAT . The name SAT …Scholastic Aptitude Test could not be correct . So under such valid criticism the name was changed to Scholastic Assessment Test, since a test that can be coached clearly did not measure inherent "scholastic aptitude", but was influenced largely by what the test subject had learned in school. Even the College Board which conducts the SAT has beaten a hasty retreat.This was a major theoretical retreat by the College Board conducting SAT, which had previously maintained that the test measured inherent aptitude and was free of bias.
About ten years back , however, even the redundancy of the term assessment test was recognized and the name was changed to the neutral, and non-descriptive, SAT. At the time, the College Board announced, "Please note that SAT is not an initialism. It does not stand for anything."
The framers of these SAT tests assumed that intelligence was a unitary inherited attribute, that it was not subject to change over a lifetime, and that it could be measured and individuals could be ranked and assigned their place in society accordingly. The SAT evolved from these questionable assumptions about human talent and potential.
More and more people are questioning the validity of SAT . In the past MENSA used to accept high SAT score individuals . For the past decade it has stopped accepting SAT scores .
The whole exercise of deciding merit based on CAT scores discriminates against those from lower socio-economic status.
Though many non-IIM institutes have started accepting CAT scores, the application fee of these institutes is still inexplicably high.
The CAT is primarily an exam of Math and English. Logical and Analytical Reasoning is nearly absent (except for some verbal reasoning which again depends on knowing English well!!!!).
CAT is a clever way to keep those from lower socio-economic strata away Institutes funded with tax payers money .
So claims of “Merit” based on CAT scores is hollow and discriminatory against those of lower socio-economic strata.
Dhirubhai Ambani had a poor command over English . He would not have made it through CAT. So what "merit" are we talking of?
Some things need to be clarified. First, if u talk abt IIT exam, Jee is held in hindi as well. So u should admit that there ahd be no reservation for IIT-JEE right. Now for CAT, i understand that CAt is conducted in english and many ppl are not good at english. But we shd be aware that CAT is an exam which produces managers at the end and these managers have to have so much client and customer interaction in their jobs. As a part of globalisation, it is very important for a manager to be respectfully good in english. Else he wud not be able to compete in the competitive world. Let us realise that each kind of profession has its own limitations and to prosper, we need to fulkfill those limitations.
Ok we will change the pattern then will u compete without reservation?
well said my friend... but let me tell u one thing r u trying to justify that all the students pf general category r quiet good in english??? thats wrong my friend. Dhirubhai ambani belonged to a general class. ok he didnt know english. yet he rose as a very successful person? why?? by fighting against all odds. those who deserve will desreve. don supress the desreved ones from reserved ones.
I am an MBBS student at AIIMS (All india Institute of Medical Sciences). I was one of the protestors at the New Delhi incident on 26th. Believe me, the feeling of hatred, bitterness and the sense of abandonment that comes over you when you see your friends and classmates struck by water cannon and having tear gas shells thrown at their faces can never be explained iin words.
i felt like my nation has betrayed me, and the criminals in the government are not listening. however even as i write this, our organisation YOUTH FOR EQUALITY (comprised of students of all five delhi medical colleges) is trying to shore up suport for our cause from all sources.
we haveonly one agenda - take back the OBC resevation proposal. there are SEVERAL OBC STUDENTS AMONG US WHO CAME THROUGH THE GENERAL CATEGORY AND THEY HAVE GIVEN PRESS STATEMENTS SAYING THAT THEY SEE NO JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.
Strikes of medical colleges have been reported not just in delhi but also in chandigarh, and there are plans for strikes in punjab haryana and rajasthan at some date. the movement is spreading its wings, but it is not supposed to be a movement of Medicos alone.
it should be a grassroots movement and it should happen NOW. Several of us have gone to IIT delhi, and although majority ofthe students are in support of our struggle,their BLOODY FACULTY HAS THEM UNDER THEIR THUMBS. they are scared of being removed from the rolls if they join us. this threat was seen even in other colleges of Delhi university and Indraprastha university that we went to. there is outright hostility as the faculty feel a protest by the students will impinge on the institute image.
however doctors and senior teachers from AIIMS have today given statements to the media and have joined us on a march protesting the hike.
having SMS CAMPAIGNS AND BLOGS IS DOING US NO TANGIBLE GOOD. we must collect support and organise and communicate with other willing participants all over the country. unless the freaks in the legislature see our numbers and feel our anger nothing can be expected.
please send your emails to youthforequality@gmail.com. without some of you taking the initiative in your own areas, especally if you are college students, nothing is goign to happen.
im talking about YOU. dont think somebody else is there to do it for you. YOU take the steps. get in touch with some of us if you want to coordinate with us, at 9871441919, 9810754510, 9818650242, 9871011415, 9899194084, 9810141853, 9899657532.
TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS. YOUR FAMILY. YOUR TEACHERS AND SENIORS, IF YOU ARE IN SCHOOL OR COLLEGE. The general category isnot a scapegoat to be victimised at every damn election.
our protests are strictly non violent and we hope you agree with us. each of us has been given instructions never to touch a policeman even if he is striking with a lathi, as that is just an invitation for the police to totally rape the marchers. although several people feel a burnt bus is just what we need, that is not really rhe truth. we have the sympathy of the nation now and we cannot lose it by resorting to hooliganism.
DO NOT CLOSE THIS PAGE AND FORGET ALL ABOUT THIS REQUEST. THIS IS A SINCERE REQUEST FROM ALL OF US AS WE A RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF NUMERICAL SUPPORT.
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